{"id":48601,"date":"2018-01-26T18:03:36","date_gmt":"2018-01-27T02:03:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.flyingwrestler.com\/?p=48601"},"modified":"2021-12-10T09:31:14","modified_gmt":"2021-12-10T17:31:14","slug":"screenwriting-outside-l-a","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.flyingwrestler.com\/2018\/01\/screenwriting-outside-l-a\/","title":{"rendered":"Screenwriting outside L.A."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;3.22&#8243; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_row _builder_version=&#8221;3.25&#8243; background_size=&#8221;initial&#8221; background_position=&#8221;top_left&#8221; background_repeat=&#8221;repeat&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;4_4&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;3.25&#8243; custom_padding=&#8221;|||&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; custom_padding__hover=&#8221;|||&#8221;][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;3.27.4&#8243; background_size=&#8221;initial&#8221; background_position=&#8221;top_left&#8221; background_repeat=&#8221;repeat&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p>I moved to Los Angeles to become a screenwriter. But that was before the internet made the world a lot smaller. So what\u2019s the value of living in L.A. now? Is it necessary?<\/p>\n<p>Of course you can write anywhere, and you can learn about writing (and even take courses and get <a href=\"www.flyingwrestler.com\/script-consulting\">professional feedback<\/a>) from anywhere. And you can send in your work to <a href=\"www.flyingwrestler.com\/2012\/06\/the-key-to-industry-access\/\">potential managers<\/a> (usually the first step to selling or working professionally) remotely, as well.<\/p>\n<p>In the best case scenario, when these managers love your stuff and want to meet you, you can fly out to L.A. And then leave. And then come back again if you have meetings with producers and such.<\/p>\n<p>This can definitely work for writing features.\u00a0For TV, it can be dicier. While everyone hopes to sell their original pilot and have it produced and reach an audience, the more practical reason to come up with a series idea and write a TV pilot on spec is to use it as a writing sample to try to start a TV career. And where do TV careers start? Working on someone else\u2019s show, as part of the writing staff. Which means \u2014 if you\u2019re one of the fortunate few who lands such a job \u2014 going to an office every day. In L.A.<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][et_pb_image src=&#8221;https:\/\/www.flyingwrestler.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/banner-horz-v3.jpg&#8221; url=&#8221;https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/gp\/product\/B07H3DDND3\/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0&#8243; url_new_window=&#8221;on&#8221; align=&#8221;center&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.4.1&#8243; max_width=&#8221;80%&#8221; custom_padding=&#8221;10px||10px||false|false&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][\/et_pb_image][et_pb_text _builder_version=&#8221;4.14.1&#8243; background_size=&#8221;initial&#8221; background_position=&#8221;top_left&#8221; background_repeat=&#8221;repeat&#8221; hover_enabled=&#8221;0&#8243; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; sticky_enabled=&#8221;0&#8243;]Yes, I know some shows shoot outside L.A., and some of them are written in the same place where they\u2019re shot, but those writers are virtually always L.A.-based, and they move to that location temporarily while they\u2019re on the job.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>But say that\u2019s not your interest. Say you\u2019re just starting out, and maybe you\u2019re only writing features. Or you figure that if you stumble into success in TV, you can always consider moving to L.A. when that happens. Fair enough. (Although people don\u2019t really \u201cstumble\u201d into those coveted jobs.)<\/p>\n<p>Do you really need to move to Los Angeles?\u00a0No.<\/p>\n<p>But somehow writers who find success usually turn out to be ones who did.<\/p>\n<p>Why is that?<span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>A couple things&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>To succeed in this field tends to require an extraordinary amount of commitment and chutzpah. It\u2019s not just a hobby. It doesn\u2019t tend to happen for writers with just one script, even if they\u2019ve endlessly rewritten it. It tends to happen for people who are working at this constantly, somehow, daily and passionately, and putting everything into it. That doesn\u2019t mean you can\u2019t have a day job and some other sort of life. But your level of passion, belief and diligence probably has to be really high. You might even have to be certain that this is the life you want, the only life you want, and you\u2019re going to have it.<\/p>\n<p>People who decide that tend to move to L.A. Because it\u2019s \u201cwhat you do.\u201d So maybe part of the reason why most who succeed already lived in L.A. has to do with that. Their attitude and approach to this undertaking caused them to make a lot of good choices along the way. And one of those, coincidentally, was moving to L.A.<span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>But I think there\u2019s more to it than that. Living in L.A. can jumpstart one\u2019s success for three other reasons:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>If you can surround yourself with people doing what you want to do and learn from the inside, you\u2019ll tend to learn better and faster.<\/li>\n<li>As you do that, it will help you make it all seem &#8220;real and possible&#8221; in your own mind.<\/li>\n<li>In the best case scenario, you\u2019ll also make contacts within the industry. And you&#8217;ll naturally be something of an insider already, if and when your work reaches the point where it\u2019s ready. So you\u2019ll have an easier path in moving it forward.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Obviously what I&#8217;m talking about here is not just living in L.A. and working at a restaurant. I\u2019m talking about working in the industry as a day job. This usually means starting at an entry level. For writers, it traditionally means entry level office assistant jobs, as opposed to on-set production jobs. And those tend to start with \u201ctemping.\u201d If you were to Google \u201cTemp Agencies Los Angeles Entertainment,\u201d you would quickly find the handful of companies that place secretarial \u201ctemps\u201d at the major entertainment companies. All of them are looking for new people. It\u2019s easy to apply, and to get placed in short-term assignments. Which can lead to long-term assignments. And assignments in tangentially related entertainment offices can lead to ones that are right where a writer wants to be. Like working for a production company that\u2019s developing material. Or even better, a writer\u2019s assistant job on a TV show.<\/p>\n<p>These are all things that I did when I started out. And trust me, they helped.<\/p>\n<p>When you look at writers who get their first representation and first sales, so often they were already working in the industry in an assistant job, or sometimes as an executive. But it\u2019s not just that they were able to meet the right people in those jobs. The right people mean nothing if the writing isn\u2019t there. W<span style=\"font-size: 14px;\">orking in those environments and being part of the industry also probably helped them to get it there.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>How?<\/p>\n<p>If you&#8217;re an assistant, you might get to know people at your level, where you help each other, give feedback, etc. It&#8217;s also nice to be local for in-person events, classes and resources that can\u2019t be replicated online. (Though the number of those is shrinking.) But I think the biggest is becoming familiar with the industry and how people think, and how things operate. Being around professional scripts, writers and producers helps you get a feel for things. And it helps you build in yourself that belief that this could be you, and it should be you, and you\u2019re one of them, and you\u2019re ready.<\/p>\n<p>It gives me no pleasure to point all this out. Because I know for a lot of people who are serious about screenwriting, moving to L.A. just isn\u2019t in the cards. Their life situation doesn\u2019t seem to allow it. And maybe they wouldn\u2019t be good candidates for those kinds of &#8220;day jobs,&#8221; even if they did. (It\u2019s true that they mostly go to people in their 20\u2019s.) But I wouldn\u2019t be honest if I said it makes no difference at all, and it\u2019s equally as easy to get your work to a professional level (the first and hardest part, by far), and to do these other things, from somewhere else.<\/p>\n<p>If nothing else, I would recommend to writers outside of L.A. that they take these things to heart, and try to do what&#8217;s described here to the best of their ability, anyway. So much of it is about having the right approach, and about honest and high-quality self-education. And you can do that anywhere. It might not be as easy, but hey, there are a lot of reasons why living in L.A. isn&#8217;t easy. Or ideal. It&#8217;s definitely not for everyone. But as someone from Ohio originally, I have to admit that the weather is pretty awesome.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section]<\/p>\n<span class=\"et_bloom_bottom_trigger\"><\/span>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I moved to Los Angeles to become a screenwriter. But that was before the internet made the world a lot smaller. So what\u2019s the value of living in L.A. now? Is it necessary? Of course you can write anywhere, and you can learn about writing (and even take courses and get professional feedback) from anywhere. [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":48604,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_et_pb_use_builder":"on","_et_pb_old_content":"<p>I moved to Los Angeles to become a screenwriter. But that was before the internet made the world a lot smaller. So what\u2019s the value of living in L.A. now? How necessary is it? Is success at screenwriting outside L.A. possible?<\/p>\r\n<p>Of course one can write anywhere, and can learn about writing (and even get professional feedback and take courses) from anywhere. And you can send in your work to <a href=\"www.flyingwrestler.com\/2012\/06\/the-key-to-industry-access\/\">potential managers<\/a> (usually the first step to working professionally or selling) from anywhere.<\/p>\r\n<p>In the best case scenario, when they love your stuff and want to meet you, you can fly out to L.A. And then leave. And then come back again if you have meetings with producers and such. This can work for writing features. <\/p>\r\n<p>For TV, it can be dicier. While everyone hopes to sell their original pilot and have it produced and reaching an audience, the more practical reason to come up with a series idea and write a TV pilot on spec is to use it as a writing sample to try to start a TV career. And where do TV careers start? Working on someone else\u2019s show, as part of the writing staff. Which means \u2014 if you\u2019re one of the fortunate few who lands such a job \u2014 going to an office everyday. In L.A.<\/p>\r\n<p>Yes, I know some shows shoot outside L.A., and some of them are written in the same place where they\u2019re shot, but those writers are virtually always L.A. based, who move to that location temporarily while they\u2019re on the job. (There may be a few that are New York based, but the vast majority of the industry is in L.A.)<\/p>\r\n<p>But say that\u2019s not your interest. You\u2019re just writing for now. Maybe you\u2019re only writing features. Or, if you stumble into success in TV, you can always consider moving to L.A. when that happens. Fair enough. Although people don\u2019t tend to \u201cstumble\u201d into that. It\u2019s usually the result of years of focused work in that direction, and many scripts along the way.<\/p>\r\n<p>Certainly it\u2019s not 100% necessary to move to Los Angeles just to start the process of being a screenwriter \u2014 since the vast majority of the challenge lies in mastering the craft itself (and demonstrating that through a single writing sample that is marketable in some way), not \u201cwho you know.\u201d It\u2019s just much harder to master (and create that marketable sample) than people thin. And it\u2019s hard to know where you\u2019re at on the spectrum of \u201cmastery.\u201d But one can, in theory, learn and grow and develop and achieve this anywhere. Absolutely.<\/p>\r\n<p>But...<\/p>\r\n<p>Your chances are better if you live in L.A.<\/p>\r\n<p>And most writers who make it have made the move at some point.<\/p>\r\n<p>Why is that?<\/p>\r\n<p>A couple things...<\/p>\r\n<p>To succeed in this field tends to require an extraordinary amount of commitment and chutzpah. It\u2019s not just a hobby. It doesn\u2019t tend to happen for writers with just one script, even if they\u2019ve endlessly rewritten it. It tends to happen for people who are working at this constantly, somehow, daily and passionately, and putting everything into it. That doesn\u2019t mean you can\u2019t have a day job and some other sort of life. But your level of passion, belief and diligence probably has to be really high. You probably even have to be certain that this is the life you want, the only life you want, and you\u2019re going to have it.<\/p>\r\n<p>People who decide that tend to move to L.A. Because it\u2019s \u201cwhat you do.\u201d So maybe part of the reason why people who succeed already lived here is that. It\u2019s not about living here. It\u2019s about the attitude and approach to doing this, which led to them doing the things that are necessary to succeed, and also, coincidentally, let to them moving to L.A.<\/p>\r\n<p>But I think there\u2019s more to it than that. I think living in L.A. can jumpstart one\u2019s success for two other reasons. The first is that if you can surround yourself with people doing what you want to do and learn from the inside, you\u2019ll tend to learn better and faster. The second is that, in doing that, you\u2019ll also make contacts within the industry. And naturally be something of an insider if and when your work reaches the point where it\u2019s ready. So you\u2019ll have an easier path of moving it forward.<\/p>\r\n<p>Obviously what i\u201dm talking about here is not just living in L.A. and working at a restaurant. I\u2019m talking about working in the industry as a day job. This usually means starting at an entry level. For writers, it usually means office jobs, as opposed to on-set production jobs. And those tend to start with \u201ctemping.\u201d If you were to Google \u201cTemp agencies Los Angeles entertainment\u201d you would quickly find the handful of companies that place secretarial \u201ctemps\u201d at the major entertainment companies. All of them are looking for new people. It\u2019s easy to apply and get placed in short-term assignments. Which can lead to long-term assignments. And the assignments in tangentially related entertainment offices can lead to ones that are right where a writer wants to be. Like working for a production company that\u2019s developing material. Or even better, if TV is of interest, a writer\u2019s assistant job on a TV show.<\/p>\r\n<p>When you look at writers who have their first representation and first sales, so often they were already working in the industry in an assistant job, or sometimes a low-level executive job. But it\u2019s not just because they were able to meet the right people in those jobs. The right people mean nothing if the work isn\u2019t there. But they mean a lot when it is. And working in those environments and being part of the industry helped them to get to a place where their work was there.<\/p>\r\n<p>How?<\/p>\r\n<p>Some of it can be getting to know people at your level, where you help each other, give feedback, etc. Part of it is being local for in-person events, classes and resources that can\u2019t be replicated online. (Though the number of those is shrinking.) I also think a big part of it is becoming familiar with the industry and how people think and how things operate. Being around professional scripts, writers and producers. And just building in yourself that belief that this could be you, and it should be you, and you\u2019re one of them, and you\u2019re ready.<\/p>\r\n<p>These are all things that I did.<\/p>\r\n<p>It gives me no pleasure to point all this out. Because I know for a lot of people serious about screenwriting, moving to L.A. just isn\u2019t in the cards. Their life situation doesn\u2019t seem to allow it. And maybe they wouldn\u2019t be good candidates for those kinds of jobs even if they did. (It\u2019s true that they mostly go to people in their 20\u2019s.) But I wouldn\u2019t be honest if I said it makes no difference at all, and it\u2019s equally as easy to get your work to a professional level (the first and hardest part, by far), as well as your understanding and belief about working professionally \u2014 not to mention meeting people who can help with that \u2014 if you\u2019re writing from outside L.A., or even from inside L.A., but not working in the industry as a day job.<\/p>\r\n<p>If nothing else, I would say to people outside L.A. that if you can do the things described in the post, despite not living here, to the best of your ability, you\u2019ll be on the right track. Because they do see to matter. I know they helped me. 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